Touched For The Very First Time: Part 2 - Season 2, Episode 10

Touched For The Very First Time: Part 2

First times are tough: they are sticky, and awkward, and for Asian American women in particular, guilt-ridden due to familial and cultural influences. In Part 2 of our special series on “Periods, Pussies, and Power: Asian American Woman & Our Sexuality”, in all its glory, stories about our first times, good and bad, embarrassing and scary, alone and with others.

“Periods, Pussies, and Power: Asian American Woman & Our Sexuality” is a 3-part series of stories from Asian American women about our sexuality in all its color, nuance, and embarrassing hilarity. We explore getting our period for the first time, losing our virginity, discovering masturbation, pursuing sexual pleasure, and through it all, find what it is we stand to gain in embracing our sexuality as Asian American Women.

Special thank yous and deep admiration go to Johnson Fung, Lynette Ferrer, Melissa Hadiyanto, Vicki So, who writes romance at, and Priyanka Wali, whom you can find at for a list of her stand up shows across San Francisco. Music credit goes to Kevin Macleod of Incompetech, Madonna, and Inner Circle. 

Periods, Pussies, Power: Asian American Women & Our Sexuality

Touched For The Very First Time: Part 2 - Transcript

Vicki So: My name is Vicki, I am a romance writer and I write under the name Vicki Essex. I am Chinese Canadian, born and bred in TO. So when I was 21, I had been dating my then-boyfriend now husband john for several months and I was still living at home because I was attending university and trying to save money so I was living at home with my parents in TO and one night I came home quite late, it was probably close to midnight at that point, again 21 years old, I come to the house and I just drop my keys in the bowl or whatever and my mother comes storming out of the bedroom and she starts tearing a strip out of me.

Diana Wong: So most of us have been caught in a situation like this, either coming home late at night to be busted by our parents or having to do the walk of shame in front of roommates. But this was actually pretty unusual behavior for Vicki, who was, at the time, a third year Journalism school major, a successful and diligent student and daughter, in part thanks to the consistent pressure her parents had applied in classical immigrant fashion, and most importantly, someone who had never dated before, much less had a boyfriend.

This is Sample Space by Hirah Media; I’m Diana Wong and welcome to the second part of our three-part series on Periods, Pussies, Power: Asian American Women & Our Sexuality. This episode is Part 2: Touched For The Very First Time: stories of our first sexual encounters good and bad, embarrassing and fearful, alone and together. In this second episode, we explore what it means to be touched for the very first time and what power Asian American Women can draw from embracing our sexuality.  

And power, or at least some courage, is certainly what Vicki needed, having been caught by her tiger mom, no less, coming home from a date with her first boyfriend.

VS: And my mother comes storming out of the bedroom and she starts tearing a strip out of me. She says ‘where have you been it’s so late, what have you been doing, why did you make us worry all this time’ and I was 21, I was at school, I was holding down a part time job and I said very sternly to my mother, ‘mom, I have a cellphone, if you have any concerns, you just give me a call; if you’re worried about me, call me, don’t yell at me; I am doing the best I can, I am going to school, I have a pt job, I work really hard, I obey all the rules, I am doing the best I can’. And my mother looked at me very sharply and then she said ‘your shirt’s inside out’ and she turned around, went back into her bedroom and we never spoke of it again.

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This is the second part of our three part series on Asian American women and our sexuality. If you haven’t heard the first part, I really encourage you to go back and listen to it! In Part 1, we heard stories about Becoming A Woman, stories about periods and spills and how becoming a woman is ultimately about finding love for yourself. We also talked about what makes the Asian American female experience unique when it comes to how we, and others, talk and think about our sexuality, including the internal cultural and familial stigma around sexuality paired with the hyper-sexualization of Asian women in American society, both of which hamper our autonomy to explore and define our sexuality and dehumanize us into dolls to fulfill sexual fantasies inherited from historic colonial and imperial ventures. But the question of this 3-part series remains unanswered. As Asian American women, what do we stand to gain by embracing our sexuality? As we heard in Part 1, self-love is part of the answer, but that’s not all there is to be gained.  

In this episode, we hear stories about our first times. First times are tough: they are sticky, and awkward, and guilt-ridden. For Asian American women, first sexual encounters are particularly confusing because they combine a natural human curiosity of our bodies and our sexuality with those familial and cultural forces concerned with our purity, our virginity, and our exotic mystery. But in all that we purportedly lose or lack in these first sexual experiences, we may get back in answers to our question, what is there to be gained by embracing our sexuality?

So here it is in all its glory: stories from our first times, beginning with Act 1, the Aquarium.

Lynette Ferrer: In my school, I had a teacher, she was married, but she talked about sex; she said “girls,” these were not her exact words, she said something about like “when you have sex, it is going to be a really really heavenly experience” and here I am sitting, I’m what 13, 14 years old, and all I can think of is “is she for real? This is a Catholic school, why is she talking about this??” But part of me thought “oh I’m glad she’s talking about this, someone has to say it!”

DW: That’s Lynette Ferrer. And Lynette grew up in the Philippines where she attended a prestigious all-girls Catholic school and where her sexual education was primarily composed of abstinence and this 9th-grade teacher talking about “a really really heavenly experience”.

And that’s all she really knew about sex, until she met Alice. Alice had recently graduated from Lynette’s high school, so:

LF: So she was no longer in my school; they would come visit my school and her friend I guess had a girlfriend in my school so Alice would just be hanging out and that’s how we got introduced

DW: Lynette was 16 and just finishing 11th grade when she met Alice. Summer was just starting and Lynette was attending a kind of college prep challenge program at a local college.   

LF: They had some kind of program where there were students from all over the country who represented their schools, where you took classes and participated in activities with these students who were all between junior and senior year. Well, that school just happened to be near the university that Alice was going to; so after my classes, which usually just lasted during day and early afternoon, I would either swing by her school and she would take me home.

DW: And Lynette and Alice did what most teenagers would to pass the summer. 

LF: Alice and I were in the bedroom; it was just me and her; my family had gone somewhere and we were fooling around, well, I don’t think we ever really undressed; I mean, sex happened without undressing. I remember this story because all of a sudden, sounds like there are people now, so we had to stop whatever we were doing; we did; we didn’t get caught, but something else happened. We had a fish aquarium and it was overflowing; I remember my brothers came home and they were like “LYNETTE! What have you been doing? The fish aquarium is overflowing! And I was thinking to myself, well, I know what I was doing.

DW: But as good as being with Alice felt, Lynette was ravaged by guilt.

LF: There were a lot of guilty feelings for me, it wasn’t simple; I mean I, I struggled through that. I enjoyed it, I liked it, but the Catholic part of me said no this is wrong.

And yet it felt normal, natural, I remember going to confession and talking to a priest; priest tells me well, if you’re really serious about this, tell me your name; years before I went back to confession. And I thought, ok, I’m burning in hell, I’m accepting that.  

DW: Lynette’s guilt and her conflicting feelings about her sexuality, her attraction to Alice, her exploration, is representative of the Asian American woman’s first sexual experience in that it is intricate and complex and wrapped up in family, culture, religion, love, pleasure, and guilt.

In our next Act, we add another degree of complexity to this first sexual experience. Act 2, Not Anybody’s Portrayal.

I think we all have a certain idea in our minds of what it feels like to be blind. It probably starts with feeling overwhelmed, followed by an anger and resentment, then a panic about feeling useless. And I think above all, the world would seem like a much scarier place. But Melissa Hadiyanto, a second gen Indonesian-American who is legally blind, refuses to be defined by that portrayal, or anyone else’s for that matter.

DW: How do you feel about your disability? About being blind?

Melissa Hadiyanto: It’s basically something that’s a part of my life, I am just living my life as me and as nobody else; not as anybody’s portrayal of me, im just being myself here in the present. My mom when I grew up made it sound like a scary place, she made it sound like people are just out there to get you, but once I started going out on my own, I don’t find it scary; I don’t think the word is scary.

DW: Melissa Hadiyanto was born premature and has always been legally blind. She uses a white cane, which gets lost under my couch sometime between us talking about how bad movies were this summer and me assuring her that not being allowed to overnight camp was because she’s Asian, not because she’s visually impaired. And in fact, Melissa can see enough to text on her phone and attend college with her sighted classmates.

MH: I always knew I was visually impaired, I knew I had to see things up close when I was young, like have print bigger, and because I had those services for me growing up, throughout my entire grade schooling, like, it wasn’t like that big of a deal

because all the people and places I’ve been to, people I’ve met, I’m close with , friends, mentors, places I’ve been, lived, I would never have been able to experience any of those things if I wasn’t visually impaired, I wouldn’t be in Bay area now if I wasn’t visually impaired; I don’t see it as a weakness, because its basically made me who I am.

DW: Growing up, the only thing Melissa really struggled with was how shy she was, which made it really hard to ask for help, even when she needed it. In school, Melissa’s orientation mobility teacher recognized this and would insist on taking her to stores and banks just to practice asking for help.

MH: There were 1 or 2 years where my teacher literally focused on me just asking for public assistance, like at the store, of like saying, oh hi, could you tell me where this and this is; or can you tell me how much this is; because she knew that I was really shy; so we actually spent a good amount of time focusing on that, where each lesson was literally us going to some business, like a post office or a bank or like a supermarket, with me having to ask for what it was I needed.

DW: And did all that practice pay off?

MH: When you are visually impaired, you really just have to self-advocate for yourself, even when you’re like young; sometimes you have to remind the teacher, hey I need, I actually need this to be bigger or something for me to see it, or you know can you read what’s on the board again, uhm, or can you read what’s on the board, not just write it on the board uhm. And I was very shy; I’m still very shy, now; but I think over the years, I definitely have become a better advocate from when I was really younger; when I was young, I didn’t know it was fine for me to say ‘can I have this?’

DW: Melissa felt like, over time, she had learned to ask for what she wants and needs while giving little thought to the stereotypes sighted people have about folks with visual impairments. 

But then Melissa met Joe.

MH: Then we started making out, then clothes came off, and I was like whoa, its like I can’t believe this is happening; it was like exciting. But yeah, that’s when we kinda foreplayed a little bit; I could see he was reaching into his pockets for something and then he was like oh shit, I don’t have a condom. Which you know, I wasn’t expecting that.

DW: Were you scared?  

MH: Yeah, I was pretty pretty scared. That was our third date so he had to leave and go home and so he left and after that I called one of my friends and I told them I was really really scared and I was crying as I was talking to my friend and he was saying how yeah, like that guy is someone you shouldn’t be talking to.

DW: What Melissa’s friends meant was that Joe was a big departure from their circle. He was a 6-foot tall long-haired guitar-playing 19-year old who wasn’t ‘academic’ the way they were. Joe was a smoker, a drinker, and someone who would sneak into bars with a fake ID. So yeah, Melissa had found herself a bad boy.

Melissa and Joe had met at their local independent living training center, where Melissa had learned to live on her own before moving out and where Joe was finishing the same courses. Joe was completely blind, having lost his vision in a traffic accident 2 years earlier, when he was 17. He was also way more sexually experienced than 21-year old Melissa, who hadn’t moved past second base with anyone before meeting Joe.           

MH: I feel like I wanted to have sex because I was curious about it and I think that I did want it, but the way that he was telling me what to do and how he wanted things to go, made it really not a comfortable experience. And yeah, that was very very scary for me.

And there was one time where he was at my apartment and he came to my house very high and very drunk. He was a smoker and he got very like ‘we need to find a cigarette right now’ and it was 12 AM and there was this one time where he like ran out of cigarettes and he wanted some and the closest was 7-11 and he told me oh let’s take an Uber there and he like kinda threatened me and told me that if you don’t get an Uber so that we can go to 7-11, you’re gonna have to give me a blowjob is what he said. And he was starting to fall asleep, so I took that to my advantage and I told him that yeah, I’m requesting it but then later I fell asleep too pause and I was hoping he would just stay asleep but then he randomly woke me up and he told me when’s it coming and I said oh I never got it; and then later on he started to just like take his pants off and stuff and he just aims his penis right at my mouth and he’s like telling me what to do and I just kept telling him no and no and I cried a lot.

DW: Melissa broke up with Joe after this, but

MH: He was still calling me and telling me things like I want to be the first person to have anal with you because he read somewhere online that Asians really like anal sex.

DW: It’s been a couple of years since she’s seen Joe, and Melissa’s had some time to think about what happened, and to see that she given into a social narrative, a trope, not about her disability, but her sexuality.  Like many women, Melissa had been socialized to believe that her role as a woman was to please her partner and make him feel good.

MH: It wasn’t exactly like what I wanted to do but I just did it for him to make him happy so he would either stop asking or stop bothering about it.

DW: Since then, Melissa has had to re-learn how to ask for what she needs and what she wants in this new realm of sexuality. But in discovering a sexual identity for herself, she is again doing it on her own terms and disavowing any one person or society’s portrayal of what her sexuality should look like.

MH: And after figuring all that out and thinking about all that, that’s when I realized that I am worth it enough to really just explore and if it didn’t happen, I wouldn’t have tried to explore my sexuality in terms of just learning about different orientations and learning that there are people who like BDSM and there are people who are asexual and that everybody’s different. I think its just awesome that like I’m giving myself the time and space to like explore and just to like find what I really want and you know who I want to be around like I think that’s important because I didn’t always give myself the time to do that.  

DW: And so I wanted to know, after all that, if Melissa felt powerful.

DW: Do you feel powerful?

MH: Yeah, I do, I feel pretty powerful right now.

DW: How so?

MH: Because I feel like my voice, specifically someone who is Asian American, but also has a physical disability, and also being queer at the same time, is also like, usually people with disabilities get put on the very edge of the backburner of the stove and a lot of the times, like their voices aren’t heard and I really just want my voice to be heard.

DW: You’re like a triple threat minority.

MH: I know, it is, like whoa.

DW: That was Melissa Hadiyanto talking about her first sexual encounter. To me, this story is about Melissa learning to embrace her sexuality and giving herself permission to explore and define her sexual identity. Melissa emerges feeling powerful because she is now creating her own story, not just following the narrative that society has about Asian American women and their role in sexuality.  

And that narrative certainly doesn’t include female masturbation, as Priyanka Wali learned at an early age. In the first part of this three-part series, we heard from Priyanka, about her experiences as a med school student. But way before she became a doctor, way before she started doing stand-up comedy, she was a little kid with a little kid crush and a little kid diary. Act 3, Afraid of Myself

Priyanka Wali: I wrote in my diary, I was like, I really like so and so I think he is very cute, I want to have sex with so and so. I was super young; I don’t think I even understood what sex was; talking to friends, oh this is something you do with someone you like. And I remember my mom found the diary and she was like “Priyanka, don’t write this stuff, don’t ever write this”. And I felt really ashamed because I knew at the time sex was something special but I didn’t understand anything about it; and then I felt really embarrassed that she caught me and then she like sorta scolded me, like I did something wrong by writing that. At the time I was like ok ok, but inside I got super embarrassed.

DW: And that was pretty reflective of how Priyanka was raised. Her parents made sure Priyanka understood that wanting to be sexual, wanting sex or pleasure, was shameful. And like most Asian Americans, Priyanka’s family didn’t talk about sexuality and when they did it was mainly to instill fear and indirectly communicate that the value of woman was in her body and the preservation of its purity.

PW: There was this total fear of if you spend the night at a friend’s house basically you’re gonna get raped; there was so many times I wanted to stay over at friend’s houses and they were like no, do they have a dad? Then you’re gonna get raped like no way. Do they have a brother? Therefore you’re going to get raped. Dad, it’s all girls event. Its like do they have a neighbor, who’s a male? You’re gonna get raped!

DW: But sex and sexuality are inherent parts of humanity, no matter how we may deny it or instruct children to ignore it. And so Priyanka explored her 5-year old body for herself, even if she didn’t know what exactly she was discovering. 

PW: I used to really like climbing polls, I would climb things when I was little; and I was climbing this poll and basically I noticed that as I would go up it my clit would rub up against this poll and it felt really good so finally I was like why am I climbing this poll, let me just rub my clit against this thing, because that’s what’s really more awesome; so I remember I would basically masturbate against these polls. I discovered it super young, I was 5 and I was like holy shit this feels amazing and then I quickly discovered that you could do the same thing against a door; like you can basically grab the door knobs on both sides and lift your body up and basically masturbate like that; so, my first masturbation periods were against furniture and shit, that’s what I would do. And all I knew was like this feels amazing; I didn’t realize I was masturbating at the time, all I knew was that this was awesome.

DW: Priyanka had no real understanding of what this pole rubbing, door humping good feeling was, but she kept it up because it felt really really good.

PW: Sometime between 7, 8, 9; I would lie in bed and I would be like oh I cant go to sleep but I really want to do my door thing cause then I would be able to sleep after. So I would wake up in the middle of the night and rub one out and go back to sleep and be able to sleep.

DW: So it wasn’t until Priyanka started college that she found language to describe what she had been doing for years.  

PW: I remember I was a freshman year in college and this girl in the dorm was like oh yeah, I like masturbating; and I was like what do you mean, like how do you know that? And she was like what are you talking about, what do you mean, why are you even asking me that question like do you not masturbate? Then she sorta explained to me what it was: you take a showerhead put it on jet mode, stick it down there and until it feels good and then you come. That’s when I was like oh shit, I’ve been doing that for years, I just didn’t know that! I actually started out with doors and poles, but then I figured out how to put my showerhead on jet mode and I would masturbate that way. I was like I don’t know, this feels fucking good, its helping me relax; I did that throughout high school; I used the jet mode on my showerhead a lot and for the record, I excelled in high school, I was at the top of my class, got a full ride to college; I am convinced that the masturbation was really important to my academic excellence.

And so flash forward to college, this girl in the dorm is like yeah, you just take a showerhead you put it down until it feels good and then eventually you’ll come, and it all comes to a head, and then when she explained it to me I was like oh,  I’ve been doing, I go way back, so, it all came full circle.

DW: Did you feel vindicated?

PW: No, not at that time yet, I was in denial of how sexual I was; because of the shame, it was like oh if I admit that I’m actually sexual like this then its going to lead to a lot of problems, cause once you accept something about yourself, you can’t ignore it anymore. So I was like if I accept that I am sexual, I’ll need to have sex or do sexual things, in order to be ok.

DW: Priyanka was basically afraid of her own sexuality.

DW: What did you, at the time, think you were going to pause laugh, devolve into if you started to explore your sexuality?

PW: At the time I thought I would be like a slut you know; I could kinda hear my father’s voice in my head being like no, you’re a prostitute, you’re a slut, you’re shameful; I was just like I cannot open this side of me, otherwise its going to be bad, its going to be super bad.

DW: And this shame Priyanka carried and fear of her own sexuality very much fits into the virgin-whore dichotomy we have heaped on to us as women. Either we are pure and good virgins with no sexual desires or harlots, sluts, prostitutes, and whores who must feast on flesh. So for years, Priyanka didn’t dare have sex, didn’t dare share with anyone her curiosities, her desires, for fear of spiraling out of control into the sex-crazed whore that her parents had taught her to fear and shame.

But then she fell in love, with her college boyfriend. 

PW: It was his first time too, we literally both didn’t know what we were doing.

DW: Were you both biology majors?

PW: Yeah, so obviously.

I was, I was, I was scared; I was definitely scared; we had been together for several months but I still didn’t feel comfortable having sex with him because I just was thinking at the time oh we should probably be more committed to each other, maybe there should be more commitment, which again, that is the shroud of the indoctrination of your culture telling you sex before marriage is really not right. 

DW: So still, Priyanka was unsure and scared of this idea of pre-marital sex. Because she had been socialized to believe that her virginity must remain intact, that her value as a woman was somehow connected to her hymen, despite the fact that she was a super smart, well-rounded, full scholarship, pre-med student. Not that any of that helped make this first time any less confounding. 

PW: And it was actually really funny, the first time we tried, like uhm, he basically lost his erection like immediately; he put on the condom and then like we tried for a few thrusts, and then he lost his erection and then we were both like ok let’s like take a break.

DW: And let’s be clear. Priyanka is describing basically everyone’s first experience. Awkward. Sticky. Full of false starts. And if you’re lucky some queefing and definitely some farting.

PW: The first time wasn’t wam bam done, because we didn’t know what we were doing, we just sorta took it as it came, no pun intended. He definitely struggled the first time. Finally we succeeded the third time.

It was a total wha whoa whoa; I think someone farted at one point and someone was like what’s that smell and then he lost his erection.

DW: How did you feel afterwards?

PW: I did feel like because I had sex with this person, I need to marry them, and I wanna be partnered with them forever, but I do think me sort of extrapolating to like oh my god, I lost my virginity to this person, I love them, therefore we should get married now, I think that was my cultural upbringing coming in, because sex is so shameful in Indian culture, if you’re going to have sex with someone, you’re going to marry them.

DW: Priyanka really did believe that she would marry her boyfriend, and that’s how she justified having sex with him at the time. But alas, they parted ways. But since this first experience, Priyanka has had other partners and with each she has learned more and more about what she likes, what she wants, what she needs.  

DW: Do you ever still feel shame around your sexual identity?

PW: I tell myself like oh no, that’s ok, its really ok to be sexual, its really ok to love yourself, its really ok to ask for love in the form of sexuality, that’s ok. If you are feeling shame because you are super sexual, don’t feel shame, embrace it and figure out a way to make it work for you. You have to understand yourself sexually in order to build your identity.

DW: Today, we have heard stories from women who have faced some non-ideal circumstances in unpacking and discovering their sexual identities. Lynette talked about finding pleasure, though it was tied to guilt. Melissa learned that her sexual identity is worth exploring, though it took a terrible first boyfriend for her to realize it. Priyanka talked about masturbating for nearly two decades before she had a name for it and understanding herself better having accepted her identity as a sexual being, despite the deep cultural stigma and caricature of a whore that she inherited.

But did this answer our question? What do we, as Asian American women, stand to gain from embracing our sexuality? I think the stories of this episode have shown us what we continue to lose when we fail to embrace our sexuality. We lose the potential for pleasure and fulfillment that those around us, including our partners, have a de facto expectation of. We lose an autonomy over our bodies that others then use to dehumanize and objectify us. We lose a confidence in our expectations for what we are given and what we are allowed to take. We lose a freedom to live outside the confines of the proper woman. We lose a narrative that depicts Asian American women as humans deserving that pleasure, autonomy, confidence, and freedom.  

But if this episode was about loss, the third and final part of this series is about gain. Here’s a clip from Part 3, Mine To Own, wherein we talk about what taking ownership of our bodies and our sexuality looks like for Asian American women.

Lucy Sweetkill: And I was like ‘oh what do you do?’ And she was like ‘oh I’m a dominatrix’. I was like ‘oh what do you mean?’ And she explained a little but then she was like ‘oh I think you’d be a really good dominatrix.’                                                                                             

DW: That was an excerpt of the next episode of Sample Space, wherein we look at owning our bodies as Asian American women and what that means when it comes to control and pleasure, happily ever afters, and the sexuality of motherhood. All three parts of this series are out now, so subscribe on iTunes or your podcast app of choice to listen to Part 3: Mine To Own.

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Special thank yous and deep admiration go to Johnson Fung, Lynette Ferrer, Melissa Hadiyanto, Vicki So, who writes romance at, and Priyanka Wali, whom you can find at for a list of her stand up shows across San Francisco. Music credit goes to Kevin Macleod of Incompetech, Madonna, and Inner Circle. 

This is Sample Space by Hirah Media, I’m Diana Wong, and if you have any comments about this episode or stories you want to share, tweet to us @sampleSpacePod or email to! Finally, remember to share this with your Asian American lady friends, partners, sisters, cousins, nieces.